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The Three M’s: Medicine, Money, Meaning with Chris Cappy on the Koolers Lifestyle Podcast #60

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00:00:00 Chris Cappy
And that’s in bridge into really getting oriented around there’s a mission, there’s a purpose as if there’s something for you to go to accomplish. And when people connect with that, lots of good things. So our coaching work, our change management work, the work that we teach is all pretty much inspired by, you know, three ideas, which is your health, your money, your resources and your your sense of meaning. Here I would go with the three items, medicine, money and meaning. Yeah. And that that’s still very much essential to me. In fact, that was why we started the new company and it came out of COVID. But I retired twice. I’ve retired retirement that way. I don’t have any food for it. I tried it. I really tried. Yeah. You know, and it’s it’s about the meaning, it’s about the health, it’s about the contribution, it’s about a sense of service that drives me into this next decade. Yeah.

00:00:57 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Welcome to the Kooler Lifestyle Podcast. I’m your host, Matt Kuehlhorn, and I’m excited to have you join me as I interview community members and business leaders from the communities in which I live, work and serve through my business Kooler Garage Doors. We’re going to bring you highlights on characters in our communities.

00:01:14 Chris Cappy

00:01:15 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Because community matters and I want to know more about who is behind our business and leadership in order to understand and support the community fabric that our relationships make up. And collectively, we can build stronger communities that support our lifestyles, our youth and our health. Welcome ladies and gentlemen, to the Kooler Lifestyle Podcast. I’m your host, Matt Kuehlhorn. Today I’m on-site the presence of Chris Cappy, who is an entrepreneur than a mentor coach. Really engaged in our community in the Gunnison Valley and we’re right in front of his fireplace. I’m really excited to be able to spend some time with you, Chris. I appreciate it. I know it’s busy time.

00:01:59 Chris Cappy
For you, you know, you’re seeing me to just realize this. They didn’t plan this, but I have my here for good tshirt. Yes. At Community Foundation. Yes. So. And I was just talking to some of those folks here this morning. So we’re here for good.

00:02:12 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, well, you’ve been engaged in this community pretty in depth for a number of decades, so.

00:02:17 Chris Cappy
It’s one of years. Yeah, then, yeah.

00:02:20 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And I’ve heard your story in the past and and for our listeners, can you give us a little summary where did where did you?

00:02:26 Chris Cappy
Grow up, Rochester, NY, right on the lake. And it was a pretty great dismal place weather wise, but it was probably a good place to grow up. Yeah, like so many people say, it was a great place to be from you know, and again, sunny Colorado, I think. I bet if I would, if someone is really SAD. Diagnosable, I might be that person. Because whenever I go back, the cloud inflations, and when I first saw the Rockies and I was also in France, seeing the light in the quality of life was like, oh, turn the light, Yeah. So I’ve been solving for sunny places since I was about 21. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:06 Matthew Kuehlhorn
How’d you end up in the Galston Valley?

00:03:09 Chris Cappy
Wow, what? I prefer to think I haven’t ended up yet. Yeah, there was. In the early 80s. I mean, this is a shape to me where I grew up. My father died young. My father’s death was a hard death. He had a bad accident. He lived in 10 years and kind of became a crazy person, had a had injury and he was at a coma. So I kind of grew up that way. So I was a martial arts student. He died when I was 14 and I took off and I decided I would. I seek first the king whenever that meant. I just knew I was angry. I just not had to make myself more right with myself. I started at a martial arts mat. Somehow, magically, that led me through a series of connections to Montana, to Helena, Mt, where I helped found a martial arts training center. So there today it’s really the yogurt. They feathered pipe ranch piece by smoke that pipe. And while I was there, I kind of became the director of the place and I was hiring people to present and that. I hired a guy named Amory. Lovins was kind of well known for his work in Hinji conservation and that Amory wanted to start his institute and we had a good connection. And he asked me if I would help found his institute and was either going to be in Washington DC or was going to be in Aspen, Co. And it turned out to be an Aspen or close to Aspen, an old Snowmass. And I got a telegram from Amory when I was in India for four months. Studying meditation, saying would you do this? And when he said Aspen Co, I said sure. So I came back and while I was in Aspen and while we built Rocky Mountain Institute, I hiked over to Crested Butte. So I knew that there was a place called Crested Butte. And then when I left the institute and I started, I worked for four years with Boston University. We were kind of the first kids on the block using the outdoors for team building an adventure. Activities challenge activities for team building and I kind of rolled into that because I was running a facility. I was a teacher of martial arts. I I knew what it took to have good presenters and could curriculum and I was able to package all that. And I got a teaching position with the School of Management and and BU at 1000 acre facility about 90 miles from Boston up in the woods of New Hampshire. And I and four other people as entrepreneurs built it into a training facility for team building. And people know about this now, but at the time this was kind of new, yeah, using experiential activities and our first clients were substantial clients pretty early on were General Electric, Morgan Bank and Walt is and that was amazing and they really took to what we were doing because we won some awards and we were stripping away the titles. And the positions and just focusing on challenge and behaviors that work with behaviors that didn’t and that was around leadership is around teaming. There was a lot of things that got loaded onto these experiences and that GE in particular was interested in this. So we built a version of this for GE on their campus outside of New York City and that was the beginning of a long series of. Cases of work we did with individual development, with team development and with organization as it all blended together. So that’s been my work for 35 years, 40 years with pilot consulting, which is one of our companies. And then we have another company that we started in the last two years called impactful Advisors and that and get impact with them. Yeah. And that goes to the heart of who I am because I care about people and I care about results. I care about both deeply so. When I look back, if I looked at the shape of that story to give you a net summary, wherever you want to go with this, the seek first the Kingdom idea is important for people. The why you’re here is important for people. That’s your most important days of your life in our view. My view is that they are born and they figure out why you’re here and that’s in bridge into really getting oriented around there’s a mission, there’s a purpose as if there’s something for you to go to accomplish. And when people connect with that, lots of good things. So our coaching work, our change management work, the work that we teach is all pretty much inspired by, you know, three ideas, which is your health, your money, your resources and your, your sense of meaning there. I would call it the three items, medicine, money and meaning. Yeah. And that that’s still very much essential to me. In fact, that was why we started the new company and it came out of COVID. But I’ve retired twice. I’ve retired retirement that way. I don’t have any food for it. I tried. I really tried. Yeah. You know, and it’s, it’s about the meaning. It’s about the health. It’s about the contribution. It’s about a sense of service that drives into this next decade. Yeah.

00:08:23 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, I love that. Thank you for the summary.

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00:09:06 Matthew Kuehlhorn
What’s bubbling up is I think of you as a leadership guy and we’ve known each other for a number of decades, like I mentioned early, been a mentor of mine and been gracious enough to sit down and have conversations and and go into depth when you’re working with organizations. Or individuals. What do you think are the components that you’re bringing in that nobody else can?

00:09:30 Chris Cappy
Well, it’s hard to say. I mean everybody, you know, there’s lots of consultancies and lots of advice and they’re all you know and many of them were good. And I think our, our role is better, faster execution, hard go to market is we can cut through a lot of the complexity and that. We talked about this, you know we’ve transacted hundreds of engagements and I’ve been in 40 plus countries, so I’ve taken this to many different regions. Yeah, the work we did with IBM required us to prove that we had a cross culturally valid problem solving methodology and that you know the the big ideas would be we need to get results, print money. We need to drive messages of change which were often required because it’s continuous in terms of the competitive environments and the dynamics and then we had to build capability. So one of the core capabilities if you talk about leadership is self leadership and a lot of the what worked and what didn’t work or what worked really well. We we traced the three things. So we transact these hundreds of meetings of strategy which is what are you going to do, which is an adaptive response to. Whatever it is, the environment is leadership, which is usually enrolled to figure out what What is it that we need to be doing? You’re on the hook paid the usually big bucks to make some bets, which is what is at the heart of strategy. Leadership has to help figure that out and an execution, which is the third big one, which is getting it done with and through other people. And like a lot of these places are complex, rich environments. That breed complexity and they don’t mean to, but it’s just what happens in large corporations or businesses. Even in small bit as it had, it can be a small business and they can be very complex.

00:11:24 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Too. It’s amazing it would know it.

00:11:25 Chris Cappy
Complex. Odd, you know? So see, wow, this should be simple. It never is. But that’s what I’m heading at. If we’re different, we’re here to simple. And that the more we can speak in the vernacular of what’s common. The more we can get people quickly to talk about what’s real with candor and the more we can simplify it and help people see a way through. That’s one of my think our gifts and that’s one of our observations for doing this as long as we have and it’s definitely some of the feedback we get from our clients. Right now we’re just we’re doing with the with the with the impactful advisors, we’re doing a piece of work with Ascension Healthcare that’s 140 some odd hospitals. Had managed to somehow in this environmental lose a couple billion dollars this year and and there’s reasons you may all those idiots, you know, that can be that too. But it’s not that in this case. It’s just the bad bets that were made perhaps before COVID, then COVID hit and they were really in a hard place, you know, and I know this, this anybody who’s listening or watching this, this will sound like can’t get it to me. The biggest thing they said to us is you’re so different than you’ve had some major name consultancies that Mackenzie and Bane and a few other ones. They said you were really different. You guys seem like you care and you’re getting us to really talk to each other and you’re going for this and that speed and that idea that a lot of the answers are in this system. So you can hire expert consultants who will come in and give you a report and talk to people and charge you a lot of money. And that make sure that you get back to report because they’re the experts that will tell you which then our go to market is a little different. For years we’ve always observed that the answers are right there in system. People know a lot about what needs to change within the systems. They might need a little bit of expertise, they might need a little bit of help, they might need a little bit of benchmarking and where are we at the game industry data sets, but those aren’t that hard to get so. We look at facilitation, hardball, facilitation around a lot, a methodology that helps our funds to drive people through that coherent that has a logic path that helps people to understand the why, why are we going to do this? Where is it supposed to take, those are good. Now what are the things that are specifically that we would measure so that we will make progress? Last and never least is how will we do this? Well, a lot of that is how you engage people. To feel like they own it. And so getting people to really talk to each other in meaningful ways about what’s really happening is not that hard to do. But it’s not awful what people’s experiences are with when they hire the consultants to come in. And some of it’s the consultants problem and they think they’re there to tell them, but a lot of it is now are we’re there to have you. Talk to each other. So and you know we were pretty smart after do this for hundreds of times and you have a track record, hundreds of business issues across the world. You see businesses pretty simple. The heart. Yeah. So sometimes you’re reminding people of things that they already knew, but they got into the complexity, they got into the weed and they need to lead their way out and they need each other to lead their way out. And you don’t do this a lot. We need each other. That’s a car message. You know, we’re here for good. We’re here for each other. It’s the Community Foundation of the Godson Valley, my pot best organization for doing things for so many different entities in the not-for-profit world in this valley. I mean, this is really our United Way. We don’t have a United Way. That’s right. But you know that that gets into the bigger idea too, though, if you really help people see where they are in the game and their lives. Work is precious moments of life on earth. Trying to move forward at the family, going in the right direction and the kids healthy and happy. And you’re trying to do good things. You’re here for good. So we have it that our messages you’re here to give and you’re here to grow for anybody. Start there. You’re here to grow where you’re here to get. Because the more you grow, the way you have to give, the more you give. Interestingly, the more comes back to you in terms of what you learn and how you’re recognized and how you’re energized by. The work that you do, and you do that with gratianforts, that that’s the interesting thing. Yeah. Now, when I was in India, we used to have this thing. I mean, Miss India was a big thing for me. I didn’t know it as much time and I was going to meditate. Unbundling this thing of probably the anger that I had as a teenager from playing what I grew up with as a kid. My father’s poor show from stances for the cards my family was dealt to play. But has, you know, it has residuals. And I’m not allowed everybody’s, yeah, everybody’s, yeah, the world of this life, you, you get dealt something that you got to deal with. So the way that that opened itself to me was I remember I was mopping a floor and part of my work to keep this part of my little thing, there was mopping a floor at 4:00 in the morning, 4:00 to 5:00 in the morning, you know, And there they said they call it Saba in Sansford, which means service. I think this is where it really came from. And the whole point was you can do anything with an adversary as if you’re doing it for God, whatever that means to whatever the higher power cosmic muffin is something, the big idea. Well, you don’t pick your pick, you’re saying, but know that you’re doing it for that. And then your work becomes a form of worship or practice, you know, and you bring that to the work. The work doesn’t put that into you. And that’s a big idea for any of us, which is how you elevate yourself on the courses every day. You know, we talked about this once in this guy Joseph Campbell, I got a chance to work with. He was one of the guys I hired with 24 years old running this programs for, oh, we got this facility or we’re going to come here. So I started to talk to the first people that came up, would you come back and had no button? That’s some owner scores, but I knew that. If you you’re you’d like this place. We love this place. Would you come back? I’d come back. Who would you come back for it and get this little list? I’m on the phone calling people and one of them was this guy, Joseph Campbell. People don’t know about him. Joseph Campbell’s one of my heroes. Interestingly, he wrote about the heroes Jury. Joseph Campbell was a mythologist who taught it. Sarah Warrenson. His books are scholars and he had an amazing, amazing synthetic. Mind of looking at different traditions, cultures, art histories, you know, anthropologies. He had a spirituality. He had a way to look at everything. His view, his view was it, it’s one thing. It’s just one thing. And he called it the Arabs journey. He was the guy that helped this guy. And I say this every time. People don’t know what named George Lucas finished this hopeless script as George Lucas. But he’s talked to Joseph Campbell’s funeral. I have his hopeless script. And it turned into, with Joe Joe Campbell’s help, this thing called Star Wars. We’ve all seen that, Yeah, he said. There wouldn’t have been any Star Wars had there not been the structure and the appreciation and the story. His story, his story, her story, the story of this reluctant hero did what? Didn’t start out that way. Yeah, like the Wizard of Oz is saying story. Yeah, it is. I’m not in Kansas anymore. And this is often what brings out the hero. It’s not easy. Right. It’s the tough stuff that makes us more who we are. It’s not a climbing friend of mine or did Everest about four times and took our banner up on top of Everest Square. A little promo thing. You did his. His best comment to me was remember it’s not it wouldn’t climb it Howard climbed back and I think that’s so for all of us.

00:19:28 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Would you say that in that hero’s journey the challenge is also what can help clarify that? Why?

00:19:35 Chris Cappy
Totally. If you don’t have challenge, what’s the point? Yeah, this is, I mean it’s and some of the research on leadership is about this. You know Jim Cruises, Barry Posner did some of the best work on the leadership challenge instrumentation 1,000,000 people in the survey and over 30 years they’re both Santa Clara professors. And I still talk to Jerry and he said just that really inspired guy who’s focused on this, but one of the. One of the principles of leadership that seems unassailable is the Crucible of leadership, or what are we all about a cruise? It’s hot, it’s a pressure cooker, and until you’ve been pressure tested, arguably you don’t know what it is that you have until you really have been put to the test. It’s an idea and only your experience is really true, or a lot of what you’ve experienced sticks with you most. And some of those experiences for most people are just the. Not the most fun thing. Yeah, well, we’ve done research on it. How did you get to be you? Well, somebody took a bet on me a long time ago, So he took a chance at me. Was that a boss? Yeah, that was a boss with a good boss, bad boss. They were great boss, but as often as that they were, they were tough. They were always. They saw something in me and said you could do or be more. And they brought that out of me. But it wasn’t the easy. It was. That was always the next thing about I’m on the edge of my seat and yet. I were supported. I wasn’t set up to fail. I was given the challenge. And then if I was in trouble, I knew I had backup. Yeah. And that that mix of things is what you see in terms of good leaders who.

00:21:18 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah. I just took some notes on that one, if there’s some listeners, Chris, that haven’t figured out or clarified.

00:21:26 Chris Cappy
That why.

00:21:28 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Are there tips, tools, actions that you might suggest?

00:21:33 Chris Cappy
While there’s a bunch, but you know, a lot of it starts with no know yourself. And the simplest one is to look at everything you’ve ever done. Make a list of everything you ever did. I started just doing this with a paper I had. I had 20 jobs before I was 21 and roles that I played in working and where I grew up, there was the city. There was a lot of things one could do it. I was, yeah, I like cars and the headlines. Yeah, but look at everything you ever did and ask yourself, make a list of it. What do they love about that? What did I really not like about it or hate about it? And what did I learn from that’s using the data set pass to say, Are there certain themes of certain things you like to do? There’s another tool that you can get for 15 bucks on Amazon called calling cards. And calling cards were created on based on research by John Holland about looking for shit. And it’s 52 cards that are research base that you get to sort through and sort through a couple different times to get down to which of the really essential ones. It’s a fun thing to do for yourself, your kids, with your spouse or singular another, But it takes about 10 or 15 units. And as a tool we’ve seen, it’s super intuitive. You know, I know we have other things we do, we do coaching, We have some great more analytical tools where we can really go deep because we have a coaching part of the business. But that calling cards thing for bang for the buck is pretty amazing and it’s like it’s a fun party thing and it’s great to see keep because it’s not what she do. It’s who you want to be and who you want to be should be written in the things you love to do and the formula that came out of that work that my friend Richard Leiter really advanced that he’s responsible for these cards existing. He’s a super guy. On purpose is knowing your wide knowing your purpose. Science and experience, whatever it is, it’s it’s been around for a while but it’s an organizing principle that’s rooted in your gifts, your godness. And that’s that’s in this, you get these little cards. There’s four cards that are the instructions. It’s pretty simple. It’s not tough to do, but you know relatively short amount of time. It seems like it evokes not just your analytical part but your your feeling. And those two come together in terms of getting to I had these five cards. They tell a story about who I am and how I typically naturally approach things and how I’m drawn to certain things. That’s more what you’re solving for in terms of the old why. And you know, there’s the old joke about, you know, to get to the Prince or Princess. I guess you could. Maybe there’s one there. But you’re just a lot of frogs. This isn’t it more efficient way because believe me, there’s a lot of frogs out there. Just, yeah, so life’s be short. So a little bit of a tool like this. And the last one that comes to mind is you really talk to some of your friends or your parents or people that know you and say what do you see about me that you see in me that I’m good at? What do I do now? What do you notice about I I, my mother and I had these conversations that she was always I she’s beautiful woman. She’s the great mother. You know we get better one I one I had That’s how I feel about her. And she passed away not too long ago. At 94, she was sharp of the tag to the end, gracious, grateful. Support it, but she would all She was smart and she would always talk to me about what do you like about what you do it, what do you love about what you’re doing. You know? And if you don’t like or love what you’re doing, why are you doing it? Usually it’s because you’re bidding time to figure something out, but God forbid you’ve gotten caught in your comfort zone, and the company is always a place to watch out. You got to get comfortable with being a little uncomfortable on the edge. There’s a period when you stretch and there’s a period when you consolidate. But people that know you, they’re really your friends, can also be a great resource to just identify and say, well, I see you be good at these things. Yeah. And that’s primarily where you’re why is, Yeah, beautiful.

00:25:34 Matthew Kuehlhorn
One more big question, then we’ll wrap this conversation up, Chris, going back to your consultant in the new company and bringing in empathy when you were talking about the leadership work and getting individuals to engage. In some of these candor conversations, here’s my context is I’m seeing this in the trades. I’m seeing this because either I’m filtering it or it’s actually happening in the marketplace. Like capitalism can have this cold dog eat dog world competition strategy go and maximize the dollar, and I’m seeing this shift towards bringing out people’s hearts. And engaging the human component of it, which for a leader is being one who can hold those tough conversations, we can have that kind candor. And I think it’s a little bit of a shift if you will. So I’m kind of testing that with you and seeing if I’m hearing this correct like when we’re going in to work with organizations leadership there is this important part of engaging that heart because the strategies. Are almost easy like.

00:26:50 Chris Cappy
I can go read.

00:26:50 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Books or talk to people. I can find the strategy for the diet, no problem, But the follow through is really going to be in the.

00:26:57 Chris Cappy

00:26:58 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And engaging humans and having alignment true, not true parts.

00:27:06 Chris Cappy
You know, there’s a lot in that that’s loaded. I think. I think we’re in a I think that’s the heart of strategy of the energy and energy can be had in energy can be hard. And it’s usually both hand you got to make sense, but also I want to have a feeling of connectedness do it. There’s a lot that’s been loaded upon Gen. Z millennials about you know needing more, wanting more feedback and development and growth things like that, but also really wanting more meaning in life. You know hey, I mean I’m old enough to say that they got almighty dollar is not losing any or two. You know, in terms of there’s there’s a hardball reality out there, which is you’ve got to produce value. You got to do, you have a business, you got to have customers have a business. And if you want to sustain itself or be in a role that brings out some of your better parts, you know, fit for purpose. Yeah to the time trying different things to really get into things like the calling card, give you a direction where this is probably going to naturally reinforce who I want to be whether you’re. Old, young, really tweet. COVID has skewed things definitely where a lot of people you know the whole thing I’ve been following. I have a researcher that sends me, overwhelms me with really good articles and one of the things has been the whole return to the workplace and the working remote and who wants to work virtual. Pretty significant study which is could have been predicted but the studies in 3-4 weeks ago and thousands of workers. They’re still working remote. Some of this is industry specific. But what’s interesting is if you if you had the choice to return back to the mothership and have to go to the office, those people are getting more development, more recognition, more feedback because they’re within the part that’s still the social circle. Yeah, they’re seen and they’re showing up. What’s another little* which is just come reasonably is, is that it’s really not the going back to the office part that’s driving people crazy. It’s the damn commute. It’s the how much wasted time there is to get there and get back for so many people for them. If you’re driving, it is wasted time. If you’re out of train, you can actually do some work or think or relax, you know, or get prepared. But but this this quest for, you know, finding meaning in heart. In your work starts with you, as I’m going to suggest and I I have the unfortunate observation of seeing some younger people that are projecting out that somehow you were the company the man big bad dollar a person of all that welfare supposed to do this and that’s a losing proposition does not happen it’s and there’s a lot of sense that happen within human resources. Do you need some companies that Oh well we need to engage you we’re not engaging you. But you know what? I’ll be the first person to tell you, you engage yourself. No one else is going to engage you and that’s an inside out. That’s why you know you’re why, that’s why. Find fit, that’s why. If it’s not a good fit, find a way to constructively move on and realize what she’d learned in our gain from whatever what she did. But you can’t learn less, it’s always more and that the better competitors that I’ve ever worked with and this gets into the racings. Work to the car. Things that have been fascinating in part, yeah. The one of the best competitors and this guy won Lemon 24 hours of Lemon 3 * 24 hours five times and I interviewed him when he was retired at 60 or so and he’s he just made the point. He says I’ve learned, betrayed myself that I don’t care what happens, I don’t whatever it is, I will find a way to turn it to my bench. And it was just one of those for every you know, if there’s a solar lining to be found in anything and everything. And that’s closer to a more realistic view to how I look at work. Yeah, you know, now I know we’re wrapping this up. I’ll close. But if this is place to close my time when I was going and mopping the floor and some meditation, school of India is with me still today because I know that I knew the one here that I need to lead myself. Self leadership may be the most important skill, that message I could get to anybody or viewers or listeners. You’re here to lead this piece. You are the owner, operator, and there’s this thing out there that’s called reality. And you may want a morph, a version of reality that you think it’s the one that’s right for you and God love you for Rd. casting that and seeing how it works, because reality has its rules, especially around business, around money. And I will tell you this, if you haven’t developed the work ethic yet, find how to do it. As I see some people that for whatever reason developmentally they think something’s supposed to come to them or they don’t think you have to work. And let me tell you something. When I go to Asia and I go to China and I go to other parts of the world and I see how engaged fully self motivated that you are not going to outwork a number of the meaningful. And and you may think you want to put in the 7:00 or 8:00 or 4 hour work day or work work week or whatever that’s about. And you tell me outside Newport’s going to win. Yeah, every guy. It’s just, you know, knowing how to apply yourself and to work hasn’t gone away. Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, you know, they’re old saying I go out shout like crass. But I remember the month BS walk, you know. Yeah, kind of works that way. Still, it’s good to know what reality is and to know your why and how your why comes to reality. So you still get to be you. Because there’s a lot of a lot of places I knew that I wanted to serve and help and at times I didn’t know what my next move was. But if I could help other people or serve or do something for others as a cause, I never found that time to be a waste of time. While I was, I don’t wonder what’s coming for me next. I think how to use. I use what I have. Arthur Ashes. The last thing. Arthur Ashes, a great tennis player who died of AIDS. It was a bad transfusion. People, they came from nothing. And that black man, amazing tennis player. And he was asked right before he died, and how is it that you become, how is it that you become right? And his his comment, which I wasn’t there, but they said, this is what he said was simply start where you are, use what you have, do what you can. And if you have that every day, you’re going to have a good day. And I’ll never have to worry so much about what comes tomorrow. Yeah, not. I love that. Is that good? That’s great. That’s good. Yeah. Hope it’s something then there is useful for someone.

00:33:57 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, Chris, for last piece for anybody that wants to learn a little bit more, you do have a book available How do people connect? Find you learn more about your.

00:34:07 Chris Cappy
Bodies Pilot is a good place to contact me. See Captain CCA, PPY, First Initial, Last Name at. Pilot that flies. Consulting we do. Pilot idea was around how people get where they wanted to go with their bags on time and make it a good trip. That’s the deal. Yeah. But she can’t be a pilot Consulting that e-mail is still my best. Happy to help And the books Driving Leaders and it’s available at Amazon and it combines what we learned and what I learned about driving a car. It’s feeding competition and racing and endurance racing. With what it takes to be developing yourself, that’s a good but yeah.

00:34:51 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Well, thank you. I’ll include those links in our show notes for listeners, encourage you to grab his book, reach out, learn more. I just want to acknowledge you for mentorship in my life, for engagement in this community. Like, I think if you’ve had a mission of making the world a better place, you’re doing it. And I just appreciate that, so.

00:35:15 Chris Cappy
I think closing takes you. I’m a long way and you’re just getting just tired and ran and so excited. You’re doing better. Yeah. Good on you for doing. Yeah. Appreciate it.

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