00:00:01 Bryan Wickenhauser
Rumors.
00:00:02 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Maybe of the ibar N yeah, is this an extension or a a way to display some of that seasonality or what’s the relationship with the lounge and referencing all our resort and the lounge they write is glassic?
00:00:15 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah, yeah. You alluded to it earlier in our start our conversation. You kind of cut your teeth there first year you landed here, so that’s right. And you know, I didn’t have any history at the almond. It wasn’t like a deep love affair because I spent a bunch of time there and I was out here. A matter of fact, I didn’t go to the bar as much. There’s more on the athletic side. Doesn’t mean I didn’t drink beer, but uh. Yeah, this year, as I alluded to, I guess, you know we’re very seasonal where we open in mid-april and we close our doors and roughly mid-october around here. We have no natural, we don’t have any heat source out there, No 4 walls to a building or anything. So forced by Mother Nature to really close down and. The Almight resort is under some new ownership and the general manager actually did some bartending stints out at the Ivar Ranch two seasons ago. And so he knew our you know what we’re all about and he thought it would be great to maybe partner with the hammer and put our gear in our brand, so to speak, to work and help bring some vibrancy to. The the middle of the valley Almot, which is not known for typically a ton of vibrancy, and that’s it. It’s known as small circles. Uh, you know what almost used to be maybe. And it was known for a. Good, good time there. And they bring in some live music was my understanding and stuff like that. But yeah, it’s been a great partnership.
00:01:42 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Welcome to the Kooler Lifestyle podcast. I’m your host, Matt Kuehlhorn, and I’m excited to have you join me as I interview community members and business leaders from the communities in which I live, work, and serve through my business Kooler Garage Doors, we’re going to bring you highlights on characters in our communities. Why? Because Community matters and I want to know more about. Who is behind our business and leadership in order to understand and support the Community fabric that our relationships make up, and collectively, we can build stronger communities that support our lifestyles, our youth, and our. Health. Hello ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Kooler Lifestyle podcast. I’m your host, Matt Kuehlhorn. Today, for the first time ever, we’re actually live. I’ve got my friend and guest, Brian Wickenhauser here with the I bar ranch. All right, man, let’s talk to you.
00:02:36 Bryan Wickenhauser
This is interesting.
00:02:37 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And cool. Yeah, we got a close quarters.
00:02:39 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah. Thanks for being flexible. We were having a little Internet challenges and off-site ibar location, so here we are, yeah.
00:02:47 Matthew Kuehlhorn
I love it. I actually this is going to push me. I’ve been thinking about the live. Set.
00:02:52 Bryan Wickenhauser
U yeah.
00:02:53 Matthew Kuehlhorn
I know a lot of people that do it, but I actually think my live setup is going to be at our junction location while we do this live. Again, we’ll have to get down there and I’ll give you your own chair.
00:03:02 Bryan Wickenhauser
OK, yeah, and helicopter to get me.
00:03:04 Matthew Kuehlhorn
There helicopter will work on that. On that. Alright my friend. Where’d you grow up?
00:03:10 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah, I grew up in was between Milwaukee and Madison, WI right now Brew Capital so. I grew up ski racing and being quite athletic as a kid. And grew up in Waukesha and later East Troy. And East Troy is kind of famous for. Ohh small little ski resort called Alpine Valley. And in the winter it’s about 350 feet, about as tall as craner. Yes, just a couple more Chairless left to right than craner. And then. In the summer, it’s ironically a rather large music venue. Amphitheatre. OK and we live 3 miles north on lake up there and gotcha. There’s lakes everywhere like in Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where you’re from. And so I grew up skiing and if I wasn’t at a concert at Alpine Valley, I certainly heard it because the sound projected N towards our house. So I like to say I caught every concert it out pamelia every summer. It was seasonal and. Moved out to Colorado for. More skiing and not more music by any means, but. It’s certainly morphed into my career. Not so, yeah.
00:04:22 Matthew Kuehlhorn
That’s cool. So first question, do you are you an owner? Are you Packers owner? I am a backers owner. You have to skin to an NFL.
00:04:29 Bryan Wickenhauser
Owner here. Afraid. Odd. You probably might struggle to find another Kooler podcast with an NFL owner.
00:04:35 Matthew Kuehlhorn
So I might, I might, you know, I’ll note.
00:04:37 Bryan Wickenhauser
It. And don’t ask me about what we’re doing with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, we don’t know. Yeah, that’s kind of Fair enough. At the ownership level yet?
00:04:45 Matthew Kuehlhorn
When when did you come out to the Gunnison Valley?
00:04:50 Bryan Wickenhauser
Well, you know, I I came out in high school truly just for some ski opportunities and then truly landed. Permanently in the Guinness Valley in the fall of 97 August, 97 came out for a ski coaching position at the Crossbite Academy. OK, yeah. Yes. As I alluded to, as a ski racer growing up and then when I curtailed my athletic career in ski racing, Alpine ski racing. Brian Krill and I moved out together in the summer of 95 and I went to Summit County for two years and then he went right away to Crest because the Crossbite Academy is there. And he was. Wearing multiple hats there at the Academy. One was athletic director and so two years later in 97 he called me in the summer and said hey got an athletic or Alpine we need an Alpine ski coach to fill the roster and you know he’s like we did the move over to Crestview. Yeah. So I said right away, yeah because I visited 96 and 97 because he was here. I come out every summer winter to see him and yeah new great things were happening at the Academy and. Came out here in the fall, 97 started. Becoming the dryland ski coach. I think the next fall I was a soccer coach for the Academy, but that fall 97 I was also the mountain bike team coach and had a lot of crossover with athletes as well and then was a ski coach. I’ll winner.
00:06:19 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Do you know John Charlton?
00:06:20 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah, Tracy, yeah. For her is her body. Yeah.
00:06:24 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Because they’re way back. Yeah, we’re.
00:06:25 Bryan Wickenhauser
Putting on an event together at the bar this coming spring? I’m kidding. That country hunters and anglers subbrand devious. Ohh. I’d love to run into a 19th year and he’s yeah.
00:06:36 Matthew Kuehlhorn
I came out here in 97 too.
00:06:38 Bryan Wickenhauser
Ohh cool for the class of 90.
00:06:39 Matthew Kuehlhorn
7 here. And that’s why I was saying, but the Almont resort could.
00:06:43 Bryan Wickenhauser
Not. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:06:44 Matthew Kuehlhorn
We’ll segue.
00:06:45 Bryan Wickenhauser
Result. Yeah.
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00:07:26 Matthew Kuehlhorn
That’s awesome. So working at the. Academy. Coaching. Take us through like that early 2000s to where we’re at today, because you’re not. Necessarily coaching or actively maybe with your kids, but.
00:07:43 Bryan Wickenhauser
No. Yeah, right. Not as intense of a coach anymore. And. I guess, yeah, athletics have always been a big part of my. Childhood. High school, college. Adulthood, basically and. Whether it was an athlete or a coach, you know, um, balance both sides of that and. Boy, I guess I also moved out. It’s important to say I moved out with a location neutral job 95, working with my father at Midwest Leasing and he was so.
00:08:18 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Sure about.
00:08:18 Bryan Wickenhauser
Location neutral type careers at that .95. And so I moved out with that. And that was my career besides. Athletics. Midwest Leasing was my career until maybe just a couple of years ago and. Have been doing less and less of that as more and more of my time has gotten taken over with. In career wise, at least the animal ranch. I always was able to balance that career type position with my athletic endeavors, which. I stopped ski coaching in 2003 at the Crosby Academy. Because predominantly I wanted to focus on some athletic endeavors, interns racing, multisport adventure racing really with the formation of Team Crested Butte, which turned into a a year round athletic endeavor. We started out doing these multisport races with three other teammates of mine in the valley and that teammate Rosser kind of got pretty fluid at times, but. We would. We’re fortunate enough to. Have great success and chase races around the world. Race in like 17 different countries around the world and and it not only multisport adventure racing which you think of maybe more spring, summer, fall. But then we morphed into ski mountaineering team as well doing races that are somewhat similar, maybe not as long length like the Grand Traverse of Mountain Grand Traverse or the Schumo scene that is quite vibrant now in Colorado and we were on the cusp of bringing that. 2. Colorado because we go over in the summer and race in Europe and a lot of our competitors in these adventure races would we’d ask him you know how do you train in the winter what do you do to keep fit you know and they were all mountain folks like us and they’d say us ski Laron Denay. You know like what we don’t speak French out ski mountaineering and so we we love to climb peaks in the summer so it felt really natural and we were all kind of telemark skiers and go in the Backcountry as a team Crested Butte, just that gear. We were at the right time, right place and. Had more great success athletically with ski mountaineering and got the do a bunch of races around the world and that and then, you know, morphed into having kids in 2010 and 12 and that curtailed my athletic career. And yeah, so that’s awesome. Just always looking for more sensitive adventure and got into thy by ranch, I guess. Yeah. Next segue.
00:11:06 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, it’s good segue. I want to know really so. For some of our listeners, maybe folks are in Grand Junction, maybe they’re around the valley that, you know, still have yet to know a lot about the ibar ranch. Maybe they’ve seen it, you know, as they fly in it because it’s right, it’s one.
00:11:24 Bryan Wickenhauser
Night a runway, yes.
00:11:26 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And then I’m curious. I love history. What’s the history of the Ibar? And then how did it become a music?
00:11:33 Bryan Wickenhauser
Venue shirt well, the deep true history is that it was a dive bar. Ranch was homesteaded by the Howard. Family. Let’s just call it the late 1800s in the Powderhorn Valley. That is the ibar brand, the Ibar ranch. Powderhorn. In powderhorn. Yep, by the Howards there’s still a number of Howards, you know, in the Gunnison Valley. I can’t speak to the Powder Horn Valley, but or Lake City or, you know, they Grand Junction. I believe some of them anyway, so. You know, the Howard family really homesteaded that and started the Ibar brand and then. They raised cattle and of course, and and hay and stuff like that in the Powder Horn Valley. Quickly to 1992 Dick Bratton, his wife, who is Donna Howard’s maiden name. They were married in the 50s, I think minute Western. Anyways, they started the what is now known as the Ibar ranch. That is the venue that we’re talking about now, currently started in 92 as a Chuck wagon dinner venue, Helcom that is rather unique to the West. There’s several of them still in operation today. The I think the flying W down in Durango I believe is probably one of the most well known in Colorado and it’s a really popular tourist attraction. And um. So Dick wanted to create that and bring some. Tourism opportunity to the lower end of the Gunnison Valley with thy ranch and the Chuck Wagon dinners with Ivy Wranglers. And then that business curtailed in about 2002 or 2003. Ironically, a side note, my wife and I got married there in 2003. Um. My wife was cleaning thick’s office. He’s also a lawyer, professional lawyer and water law. And she just asked them, you know, in 2002, like, hey, could we get married out there? And it’s not wasn’t really known as a place as a wedding venue per se, but um, some other locals around that time have gotten married out there. I run into just because they knew Dick or Donna. But the Chuck Wagon dinner business curtailed and like I said, about 2002 or three and then sat dormant just cobwebbed up. At least for about 10 years, until I raised my hand in 2013.
00:13:55 Matthew Kuehlhorn
What major is your hand?
00:13:57 Bryan Wickenhauser
Just I wanted to see some vibrancy and that can mean a lot of things that a lot of different people, but in my mind immense. You know, live music and. I also knew it could be a great winning venue because of the history I had out there and the great experience, but I knew the experience could be. Clearly enhance, let’s say from a wedding standpoint. But I I I just thought like vibrancy for me meant like live music. And you know, one off events whatever cause I curtailed my athletic career as I alluded to in 2012 or so. But I started, you know, finally having some downtime, maybe from athletics. And I was like, man, I started. They want to create some live music. And I found myself always going to the North End of the valley for live music, you know, other mountain towns as well. And I just wanted some live music where I lived and wanted to do something about. That’s awesome. Yeah, and I knew this venue was just sitting dormant. I really thought it had a lot of attributes. The bones there were. Capable of. That produce and some really cool experiences through live music and yeah and weddings memorable and and yeah and so those are the two products that really I think that dive bar. You know, cells, it’s basically a service, but, um, industry. But yeah, live music and weddings are kind of what we hang our hat.
00:15:24 Matthew Kuehlhorn
On yeah, I love it. And over the years you’ve done some developments out there. You seem to be getting traction as far as bringing bands in and putting out events and. What have you? I mean I guess. How is it?
00:15:41 Bryan Wickenhauser
Morphed. Yeah. Well, yeah. The bones, like I said, were there. The foundation was there. A lot of the attributes, whatever you want to call it, assets. But yeah, just brought a lot of. Additional improvements, enhancements for not only the wedding scene, but obviously live music and then trying to. As we felt comfortable bringing bigger and bigger name acts, um, you know, culturally, I think from a live music standpoint, Gunnison was not really known. I mean, I think the townspeople. In the 2000s were really. Expecting a lot of live music, so they didn’t go out for a lot. I mean, it would happen once or twice a year at Coleman’s days or? Random Winter concert or random summer concert, maybe, but it was a culture change, I think, really. And so it took a while to build a customer base and to get them out once or twice a year. Plus it’s seasonal. So it’s not like I’m selling that experience in the winter time. So in the winter, you know, I’m out of sight, out of mind. In the summer I have to ramp it up, back up and get them all excited again for. That live music experience again and. Umm. I’ve been told that, you know, it takes about five years to get a business to be, you know, stable enough where you’re. It’s going to succeed or be. You know have some legs to it on that five year Mark and I think with a seasonal business you had five more because we go away every year. We come back, we go away, come back and so I like to believe that man it takes almost 10 years for a seasonal business. And the other thing is that you know the industry I’m in live music business, it’s. I didn’t want to believe it, that it’s tough, but man, it’s tough now I’m here going in my 11th season and. All my competitors are either. Built Wall Street billionaires, basically. Or nonprofits. That are run by boards that can. Ascertain grant money to keep the OR to produce live music, etcetera. So it’s challenging from that standpoint too, the. To enter into this is takes. A lot of resources. And yeah, I was not blessed with a lot of resources. I didn’t, you know, I don’t have. Fat bank accounts and I still don’t, but certainly when I started it was pretty meager and I was just man, I’m known for pushing big boulders up hills and being successful in that metaphor. So it was.
00:18:21 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Well, that’s that’s what I love about this because when I have conversations with folks and this is no different, you know, I love.
00:18:28 Bryan Wickenhauser
Seeing.
00:18:28 Matthew Kuehlhorn
How somebody’s story and excitement for the future is actually tied in to where they started. It’s one of the reasons why I asked where you grew up. Sure, because now I’m starting to thread through where. You grew up next to a music venue.
00:18:42 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah.
00:18:42 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And you benefited from that you were?
00:18:44 Bryan Wickenhauser
Influenced by that.
00:18:45 Matthew Kuehlhorn
You were an athlete. You get this nitty gritty Dr. and then you take on an I bar ranch. Which, correct me if I’m wrong, but that ibar brand even back in the day, was full grid. Like tenacious.
00:19:01 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yep.
00:19:02 Matthew Kuehlhorn
In any brand that was homesteading out here had to be, especially if it’s lived for the 100. 30-40 years, Yep.
00:19:11 Bryan Wickenhauser
I’m sure the foundation that they didn’t start off with a bunch of employees helping them. There was mom, dad and the kids just rolling sleeves up and it’s really getting rocks out of the field and you know, getting the fields fertile.
00:19:21 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And Mr. Mrs. Howard in a covered wagon, so.
00:19:23 Bryan Wickenhauser
You live in the dream.
00:19:25 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And and so that grit.
00:19:26 Bryan Wickenhauser
I think.
00:19:27 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Just plays super well and I’ve heard some.
00:19:32 Bryan Wickenhauser
I have rumors.
00:19:33 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Maybe of the Ibar N yeah, is this an extension or a a way to display some of that seasonality or what’s the relationship with the lounge and referencing all our resort and the lounge there, right is glassic.
00:19:46 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah, yeah. You alluded to it earlier in our start our conversation. You kind of cut your teeth there first year you landed here, so that’s right. And you know, I didn’t have any history at the almond. It wasn’t like a deep love affair because I spent a bunch of time there and I was out here. A matter of fact, I didn’t go to the bar as much. There’s more on the athletic side. Doesn’t mean I didn’t drink beer, but. Yeah, this year, as I alluded to, I guess, you know we’re very seasonal where we open in mid-april and we close our doors and roughly mid-october around here. We have no natural, we don’t have any heat source out there, No 4 walls to a building or anything. So forced by Mother Nature to really close down and. The almond resort is under some new ownership and the general manager actually did some bartending stints out at the Ivar Ranch two seasons ago. And so he knew our you know what we’re all about and he thought it would be great to maybe partner with the hammer and put our gear in our brand, so to speak, to work and help bring some vibrancy to. The the middle of the valley Almot, which is not known for typically a ton of vibrancy, and that’s it. It’s known as small circles. You know what almost used to be maybe and it was known for a. Good, good time there. And they bring in some live music was my understanding and stuff like that. But yeah, it’s been a great partnership. And we’re looking forward to continuing it. It it really helps the Ibar brand I think because it gets us known to the. Valley residences like hey that’s right the Ivar got check him out again in the summer now they’re doing this in the winter and helps with the marketing and just people thinking Ivar and and the love that they have for live music and the Amar can be behind that love fair man I’m making new and additional customers and repeat customers and instilling the. Ibar brand into him.
00:21:49 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Like, I get the sense that the I bar is not a location, it’s a production experience.
00:21:55 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah. Well, on live music is just that. It’s an experience and hopefully a great memorable experience. And so wherever we touch that customer with that great experience. Whether it’s ibar north or when, now they’re going to remember, oh gosh, we got Gale to that ride this summer because that was so fun this winter. And look at their lineup this coming summer. We want to hit that and that and that concert and then they’ll be like ohh yeah, our friends get married out there. Summer too. It’s gonna be awesome, you know? And. They really? Warm up to the ibar even more so, especially after a wedding and they’ve been to several concerts there. And this is, I’m speaking from the local standpoint. I mean many of our attendees are from out of town. Second, third homeowners are just tourists coming in to experience the Gunnison Valley and we’re one night of there like must do in summer.
00:22:41 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, so I love.
00:22:42 Bryan Wickenhauser
It Yep.
00:22:43 Matthew Kuehlhorn
I love it so. Do you have regularity? I see a little bit of a schedule so for the almond resort. Partnership. What does that look like? Is that every weekend? Is that an event?
00:22:55 Bryan Wickenhauser
That right?
00:22:57 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Police on our calendars.
00:22:58 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah, it’s, it’s, you know, we’re into our fifth concert. I think we started the 17th of December and we did the 23rd and then New Year’s Eve and then we’ve had two already this January and our third ones coming up tomorrow night with Easy Gym. So we try to do 1 every week. To your point in question, yeah, once every week all the way through. To list stop turning. So we’ve got this snow dance Winter concert series is what we’re calling it. So it’s yeah, hopefully we’ll probably do it again. I’m anticipating next winter as well, and it’ll be just something that the locals and tourists can rely on. That’s live music. While the lists are sinning.
00:23:40 Matthew Kuehlhorn
I love it. Where do we find information? So whether it’s looking at the summer schedule of the winter schedule or I want to book a wedding where?
00:23:48 Bryan Wickenhauser
Where do we go? Yeah, I guess one of the best go to spots is clearly the Ivar Ranch websites. You know, it’s Ivar ranch.com pretty easy. But then I’ve learned so much on marketing. I mean, you just have to be everywhere and you have to because every demographic has their go to spots to find a business. It doesn’t matter. You know, I’m in the live music. I got to touch them. Print and posters and radio and. You know, digital marketing, social media marketing, social media, and you know Facebook and Instagram are great places that also if you use those social media platforms to find out what’s happening at Almont Ibar ranch. So. Yeah, other than. Right. And letters in the sky of an airplane, we try to touch them almost on all those marketing platforms I just mentioned, so.
00:24:38 Matthew Kuehlhorn
And so it’s funny you mentioned the letters, because you literally have advertising for folks leaving and coming.
00:24:45 Bryan Wickenhauser
In on a plane, yeah. And that’s true too because they as you’re alluding to, we’re at the East End of the airport on the the approach from the east or taking off from and heading east, you’ll fly right over the ibar ranch and yeah, we’ve got the big barn, hay barn. With the letter spelled out, I bar on it and our customary red and whites and yeah.
00:25:07 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, it’s beautiful man. Awesome. Alright, so we’ll include those in the show notes for sure. Go check out the ibar, check this sub menu, check out almond almond for the winter series and that venue by the way. And love learning the history of it. Yeah, I think that’s so cool. Powderhorn brand. The venue is absolutely gorgeous. Right at the foot of Tenderfoot Mountain. W mountain. Yep. And it’s a beautiful spot in the summer. And it’s.
00:25:40 Bryan Wickenhauser
For Shelly is the artist. Love it. The attendees are blown away, you know, especially the out of town. I mean, even the locals time after time again. I mean, we just get some beautiful sunsets and stars and I mean the lights on stage and it’s just an amazing experience. Whether you’ve been there 15 times or your first time there and large bonfires while we’re known.
00:26:00 Matthew Kuehlhorn
For it’s right.
00:26:02 Bryan Wickenhauser
And justice, a mechanical bull we have. And justice, the authenticity of the whole place just feels like a Great Western heritage, Western slope experience for a night and you get to see XYZ on stage, hopefully that and you’re enjoying that music and it’s a great experience is really what we strive to because then we know you’ll come back if you don’t have great experience.
00:26:23 Matthew Kuehlhorn
They’re not.
00:26:23 Bryan Wickenhauser
Going to call cooler or they’re not going to. Go back to the erbar cell. Definitely strive for. Great experience and by all accounts we. Have great success with that, but we’re also a small market here, you know, I mean other competitors. We’re blessed to be in Colorado where is so much great live music all the time. Every mountain town’s got an amazing venue and Front Range is littered with. Tons of great venues with the pentacle being in red Rocks and try to get some of those bands that are playing red rocks or fiddlers and have them come through the Mission Ballroom and have them come through the Ivy Ranch. And I do have some success with that. And man, it just brings such amazement and joy I think to all the locals who live here creating a sense of place to know that. That band member band is coming through in a in Gunnison, too. It’s, you know, it’s to see the. North End of the valley come down to support live music in the southern end of the valley is quite. Culturally. Shocking and very proud of that because to get the North End of the valley of the North End in the summertime is sometimes quite difficult. But yeah, yeah, if you get the right bands in the right space and place, and they really do appreciate a lot of my friends and they’re just so happy for me and the happy to have this experience in place. Beautiful.
00:27:47 Matthew Kuehlhorn
That’s pretty cool, yeah. I appreciate your tenacity and putting that together and creating that venue in Gunnison. I think it adds quite a bit.
00:27:54 Bryan Wickenhauser
To the community I we live here, you know, it’s one of the you proud. I mean, I if someone else did it, I’d be psyched, you know, to be like, oh, we have this place.
00:28:03 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Yeah, yeah, that’s awesome. Do you have any big fish, big names on the hook for the summer?
00:28:10 Bryan Wickenhauser
Nothing. The only the only band at this point. Here we are in the January is Spafford is playing two nights, June 30th, July 1st. They’ve played two nights at the public house the last two winters. And that’s the only one I can really talk about. Everything else is just speculation in the words, yeah, and the words, some Hail Marys and but there are some encouraging, exciting things if I can land them, of course. So, but it’s just too early to put out there to get everyone excited. It crushes me in February or March when I get my hopes up and my emotion in sport. And then they’re like, no, it’s not going to work. I’ve learned. Not get too excited about anything. Yeah, till it’s half for real.
00:28:55 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Listen man, I appreciate you coming in doubt.
00:28:57 Bryan Wickenhauser
Great to have space in here too. Do this in person this is. I know this wasn’t the goal.
00:29:02 Matthew Kuehlhorn
But this is the first time. Well, we’ll see how the recording comes out. And thanks for being the Guinea pig on dinner going for you.
00:29:07 Bryan Wickenhauser
Congrats on Kooler.
00:29:08 Matthew Kuehlhorn
Thanks man.
00:29:09 Bryan Wickenhauser
Yeah. Thank you
